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    It's dismaying that so many favor unconstitutional prior restraint on an enumerated fundamental right with no due process (the support for banning firearm purchases for people on watch/no-fly lists).
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    I agree. Part of why I put that/those particular chart(s) up there. You (I) could say the same thing or at least similar things about several other items there, such as universal background checks for private sales of personal property and creating a federal data base.

    I would love to see the actual questions asked, because we all know that how you word a question means so much in these cases.

    For instance, who isn't for keeping guns out of the hands of "the mentally ill"? Now define "mentally ill."


    As far as the no-fly and watch lists go, I just don't think very many people understand the due process angle, the bureaucracy, the incompetence, etc. Same goes for anything under the surface, really.

    If only there were a way that people could get and absorb facts and ideas...LOL

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    Support for gun control measures by location:




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    Quote Originally Posted by Swamp Fox View Post
    LOL...Go for it...Your a̶d̶v̶i̶c̶e̶ time ain't free, and this is America...LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by DParker View Post
    I can't get that page to load...so I'll just leave this here:



    Edit: There's an errant period immediately before the ending slash ("/") in your link. Remove that and it works.
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    Ran across this article yesterday, which not only calls into question the very high support for universal background checks that the Pew poll cites and media and anti-gunners have latched onto (even before the Pew poll came out) but also is a good reference marker for a number of other discredited or dubious gun control talking points.


    Virginians have seen little in the way of results for the expenditure of these substantial public resources.

    Since the law was passed, with 77 gun shows across the state, only 54 voluntary background checks in total were requested, most of which occurred within the first six months the law was in effect. Only a single person was denied (apparently due to an outstanding felony arrest warrant) and even this came to nothing: the news reports indicate there were no criminal charges resulting from the denied purchase. In contrast, federally licensed dealers at these shows performed close to 40,000 background checks.

    One may suppose that cost was a prohibiting factor, but the fee for the private background check was a modest two dollars. A more plausible explanation for the shortfall between the touted support for enhanced background checks and what actually happened is that the support just isn’t there.

    The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) explored this possibility in its own poll, which asked a more nuanced question. This first explained that most gun show sales involve licensed dealers who are already required to conduct background checks under federal law, and then asked whether the person agreed or disagreed that additional laws, including enhanced background checks, were necessary for gun show sales.

    When the issue was presented in context, the support for increased background checks was less than half of what is claimed by various gun control groups, and nowhere near an overwhelming majority of those polled. The majority (53 percent) of those taking part in the NSSF survey agreed that more restrictions were not necessary. These results are further bolstered by results at the ballot box, where restrictive background check laws have seen nowhere near the 90 percent support claimed by gun control supporters. Despite spending many millions of dollars on background check campaigns in Maine and Nevada last year, Bloomberg’s Everytown not only failed to approach their claimed 90 percent support, their measure was defeated in Maine and succeeded on the narrowest of margins in Nevada only to later be found unenforceable by the FBI and Nevada Attorney General Adam Laxalt.

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017...-underwhelming

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    This is why those touting the results of polls like the Pew one never mention now the questions(s) are worded. Because doing so would make it immediately obvious that those polls are specifically designed to produce a desired response.
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    Correctomundo...And even if a question is not intentionally designed nefariously, lack of context and lack of knowledge can still be significant roadblocks to getting at how people really feel or--better yet--think.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swamp Fox View Post
    ...

    I would love to see the actual questions asked, because we all know that how you word a question means so much in these cases.

    For instance, who isn't for keeping guns out of the hands of "the mentally ill"? Now define "mentally ill."


    As far as the no-fly and watch lists go, I just don't think very many people understand the due process angle, the bureaucracy, the incompetence, etc. Same goes for anything under the surface, really.

    If only there were a way that people could get and absorb facts and ideas...LOL

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